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Comments on: WTF? https://test.illis.se/en/wtf/ Animal Behaviour Consulting Sat, 16 Nov 2019 17:59:46 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.1 By: Patricia Bennett https://test.illis.se/en/wtf/#comment-5355 Sat, 16 Nov 2019 17:59:46 +0000 http://illis.se/en/?p=3713#comment-5355 I love this post! Please continue!

These are the discussions we need….

]]> By: Mimi https://test.illis.se/en/wtf/#comment-4388 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 17:57:52 +0000 http://illis.se/en/?p=3713#comment-4388 In reply to Karolina Westlund, PhD.

I don’t think the dominance side lacks any R+ at all. We just use more tools to achieve balance. I think it depends on the animal. I only train dogs, so that is my expertise and in doing so, I think you can’t just ignore the benefits of some styles, only because it seems too harsh or aggressive. I’d like to think I talk dog. I have watched a pack of dogs (15-20) daily now for almost 15 years. They attend weekly and half the pack attends Mon-Fri and are my core pack. I see the hierarchy, the dominant, the leader and controller, and I have seen all those in one dog at one point. I establish and enforce the rules but don’t think its up to them to only learn our language as much as we should learn theirs. And dogs are physical beings. Touch in a gentle way and also as a correction is very effective. JMHO

]]> By: Mimi https://test.illis.se/en/wtf/#comment-4387 Fri, 02 Nov 2018 17:42:29 +0000 http://illis.se/en/?p=3713#comment-4387 In reply to Andrew.

I agree with you. I use what I think will work in the moment, be it R+ or an alpha roll or poke (Cesar). Each dog is unique and you use the appropriate tools accordingly. I don’t use e collars or choke chains, but teach leadership for dog owners to be calm and assertive. Meet and surpass the dogs intensity. I am a Pack Leader.

]]> By: Poisoning – or counter conditioning? – Illis ABC https://test.illis.se/en/wtf/#comment-3989 Fri, 14 Sep 2018 08:14:07 +0000 http://illis.se/en/?p=3713#comment-3989 […] What I’m suggesting is that we help them start where they’re at, and consider “teaching-positive-reinforcement-to-a-transitioning-horse-trainer” as a shaping procedure. It has the added benefit of being a non-confrontative approach that might make the trainer who’s still on the fence about trying positive reinforcement more likely to listen to and implement suggestions for change. […]

]]> By: sonja.poppelgatan@gmail.com https://test.illis.se/en/wtf/#comment-3871 Tue, 24 Oct 2017 15:20:55 +0000 http://illis.se/en/?p=3713#comment-3871 Create emotional capital

Creating feelings capital gives the possibility of withdrawal. I mean that if you made deposits with the animal and then create “trouble” for the animal it can be outweighed.

At least i think it is possible with rabbits, sheep, cats, dogs and horses.

]]> By: Meme Week: Animal emotions – Illis ABC https://test.illis.se/en/wtf/#comment-3651 Thu, 07 Sep 2017 19:10:11 +0000 http://illis.se/en/?p=3713#comment-3651 […] we can create a mass movement that can really help animals and their people! As I wrote about in this blog post, combining the power of social media with inherently viral memes could have a huge impact on […]

]]> By: Karolina Westlund, PhD https://test.illis.se/en/wtf/#comment-3498 Wed, 28 Jun 2017 18:42:04 +0000 http://illis.se/en/?p=3713#comment-3498 In reply to Karolina Westlund, PhD.

… I actually changed the wording on my positioning in the blog post..! 😉

]]> By: Karolina Westlund, PhD https://test.illis.se/en/wtf/#comment-3497 Wed, 28 Jun 2017 18:18:11 +0000 http://illis.se/en/?p=3713#comment-3497 In reply to Gordon Gill.

Hi Gordon! It wasn’t my objective to discuss the intricacies of P+ in this blog post – but I actually do that here, including mentioning when I think P+ would be appropriate: http://illis.se/en/punishment-problems/

Hmm I need to re-read this and see if I really come across as extremist – not my intention – thanks for pointing it out!

]]> By: Gordon Gill https://test.illis.se/en/wtf/#comment-3489 Mon, 26 Jun 2017 04:01:55 +0000 http://illis.se/en/?p=3713#comment-3489 All you have to do is look at the competitive dog sport world of IPO, this is a pure reflection of the change in training approaches. Any 30 plus year veteran would tell you that if you line up the champion of yesteryear against the champion of today those of yesteryear would be left for dead. No doubt we have improved and no doubt the shift from the old school days of heavily compulsive methods to the heavily indusive and classically conditioned of today is more than warranted. However, when PP/FF extremists offer solutions like ‘just pen the puppy until they grow out of it’? I am forever dismayed and left to pick up the pieces. The motivational matrix is a representation of life on earth. Life which functions as a direct result of these 4 quadrants. To abandon one quadrant completely and place this idealogy above and beyond the welfare on an animal is terribly selfish and this is what I and many are encountering. It’s like in some cases people have shifted from one extreme to another?!?! Although striving towards a PP/FF methodology certainly can help create more techniques and potential to become a better trainer, (not to mention improving welfare for animals) but to actually put it into religious practice 100% is plain and simple irrational extremism at it’s worst…and yes, as some may have eluded, TIME is a variable which often needs to be considered in the companion animal world. That is TIME taken to create a manageable outcome. Equally offensive I find are restrictions on dog breeds or equipment like E-collars. The only restrictions should be the human at the end of the lead….unfortunately it’s always the human that is the problem. So, although I agree with much of what you say Karolina I do feel that it should be acknowledged that P+ in the right hands can actually make up part of a successful behavioural modification program. Tools like E-collars or ANY TOOL are only ever a problem in the wrong hands and are no more capable of misuse and abuse than a lead and flat collar.

]]> By: Karolina Westlund, PhD https://test.illis.se/en/wtf/#comment-3043 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 18:50:43 +0000 http://illis.se/en/?p=3713#comment-3043 In reply to Jette Fuglsang.

nice! 🙂

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